Comments on: Dharun and Ravi: Two Different Worlds https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/ Hues may vary but humanity does not. Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:24:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Webcam Modeling https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-15218 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:24:33 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-15218 Ԝhat’s up, ust wanted to say, I enjoyed this blog
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By: Srini G https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-1807 Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:30:13 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-1807 Having me going through this issue with my family coming from southern India and me living most of my life in Europe, USA, and now in Australia it has been a tough venture coming out to my family though they have travelled vastly they could never accept or come to terms of me being Gay, or who I am, According to my family its a western influence and nothing to do with culture, what a load of Rubbish, people need tolerance, and open mindedness than to narrow their thoughts towards a designed marriage where they expect everything to go well.
Despite of me coming out to my entire family I still cope the pressure of an arrange marriage.

I really wish each and every parent would understand their children in different level so as to know their true feelings and desire to who they are really, rather than who the parents want them to be.

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By: Rammohan https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-1260 Sat, 26 May 2012 21:09:39 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-1260 In reply to parvati.

Dharun Ravi is one spoilt kid. How else can you explain an immigrant kid being so brave as to use a webcam and take picture of his roommate. Send it out on twitter. Drive a BMW to school. IT is almost like using a smartphone and going to restroom and taking webcam of all the people using the restroom. Would the law allow that?. This is just my opinion.

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By: mack mcalister https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-985 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:43:47 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-985 Father Phazani Ravi and the mother failed parenting tasks twice. Once for raising a son that went out and committed crimes against an innocent human by invading his privacy and then by terrorizing him systematically to his death. Yep Dharun Ravi terrorized Tyler Clementi dismantling Tyler’s social support structure and tormenting him off this planet. Secondly Mr. and Mrs Ravi failed again when they allowed their son Dharun Ravi to plead not guilty to invading privacy etc. The facts are clear that even a deaf, dumb and blind person would know that Dharun Ravi did spy, invade, belittle, tease, persecute, torment and in essence terrorized and tortured Tyler Clementi.

Read about another case of a parent doing right one of many such stories:
Teenage Texas Bank Robber Turned In By Mom Heads To Prison

DALLAS (April 9, 2012)—Anthony Blue, 19, of Garland, whose mother identified him to the FBI, was sentenced Monday to almost five years in federal prison after pleading guilty to three counts of bank robbery.

Blue pleaded guilty in January.

U.S. Attorney Sarah R. Saldana said U.S. District Judge David C. Godbey sentenced him Monday to four years and 11 months in prison.

Investigators said Blue held up State Bank of Texas in Garland on June 14, 2011, and then later that day robbed Community Bank in Rockwall, using the same note demanding cash.

Authorities say Blue robbed American Nation Bank in Quinlan on July 8, 2011, using a different note.

His mother called the FBI after visiting a website that tracks bank robberies.

DHARUN RAVI is GUILTY OF TERRORIZING AND MURDER
Hope he is sent to a jail here in the us for a good 10 years and that the parents of Tyler Clementi sue him in civil court as well.

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By: Neel https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-920 Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:55:00 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-920 In reply to Neelkamal.

I just found out (maybe I overlooked it earlier) that Clementi had left a suicide note but that note was not allowed to be made public. Clearly, Clementi had not mentioned Ravi as a cause for his suicide decision in that note: the fact that the contents of the note were not revealed in court makes it clear. One can only guess as to the contents of that note. Maybe Clementi mentioned his dismay at his mother’s reaction to his announcement; maybe he wrote that nobody was responsible for his death; maybe he wrote about his fears of having to live out his life in a callously homophobic world; whatever. It is possible that the note’s contents may have led to reduction in Ravi’s culpability by placing the blame elsewhere–and that the prosecution may not have wanted Ravi to receive that benefit.

It is easy to conclude that Ravi should have been more farsighted, etc. The unfortunate fact of life is that this is the lot of the young–to generally be unable to perceive the long-term consequences of their actions. As Bernard Shaw had observed, youth is wasted on the young. How many of us have pulled out a chair from behind someone just as they were about to sit down? I read about the case of a student victim of such a prank in the school canteen, who landed hard on the floor on his butt, received severe spinal damage and was significantly paralysed for the rest of his life. For me, instant death would be far more preferable to existing helplessly and dependent on someone for the rest of my life. I wonder what we would have said about the student who played this prank.

In our younger days, did we ever label someone as “Motu”, “Donne”, “Gundan”, “Fatty”, etc. because they were somewhat chubby? Read about people who have suffered from serious body image issues as adults and even died of anorexia, because they were psychologically scarred by being called such “fat” names in their childhood. But didn’t we do it playfully, with no malice aforethought–and even as a “sign of affection”?

In our own younger days, did we all perform a full physiological cause-and-effect analysis and medical prognosis of our potential victim’s impending condition before we engaged in such pranks? How deeply did we think about consequences before playing practical jokes on others?

I look at the way many adults interact with young people and think, was this person ever young himself? Has he already forgotten what it was like to be young and with an immature mind lacking in life experiences?

All this of course does not change my view that Ravi should have accepted some level of blame and shown remorse by agreeing to do community service in a plea bargain. Maybe he didn’t receive the right guidance from his parents and his attorney. They were all probably too engaged in legal games to pay any attention to personal ethics.

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By: Sandhya https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-910 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:41:25 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-910 This is a well written article. Yes, it is true that a lot of parents are unable to discuss homosexuality with their kids, Asian or non Asian. It is not an easy topic. Having said that, homosexuality is very much existent right from the days of Mahabharatha. I have always felt that the character of ” Shikhandi” who killed Bhishma is an allusion to this aspect. Modern society has to leave behind biases and move on. What is more important is to respect and accept everyone as they are and integrate homosexuality into modern education so that homosexual individuals are not looked upon as freaks of the society.

On the one hand, it is wrong to blame this boy alone for being phobic to homosexuals. There are all kinds of conservatives right here in the US who have anti gay views, for example gay marriage is still not legal in all the states…Europe is probably a much more open society.

What went wrong was that the basic teaching of kindness and respect to people was simply forgotten. Somehow, we should always be cognisant of not hurting anybody with our actions. According to the Hindu belief, conscience starts developing in a human after age 6. We become responsible for right and wrong. We should treat others as we treat ourselves. Compassion and respect to others should be taught at home and in the educational institutuions. As long as we remain righteous in our conduct, the question of this kind of a consequence to action will not arise. The punishment to Ravi is due because somehow he did not think that his action was going to cause
deep suffering and misery to Clementi…such pain that he took his life….the deeper question that arises is why his conscience permitted this boy to proceed with his actions..what happened to ” right and wrong debate”…was it never ingrained in his mind??

Shri, I wish you good luck . Yes, unfortunately, it has not been easy for you. Hopefully, your journey will take you to happier shores.

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By: GG https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-909 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:02:49 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-909 Very well written…

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By: Neelkamal https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-890 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 04:55:09 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-890 I thought this brief article provides some good perspectives on this issue:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/opinion/make-the-punishment-fit-the-cyber-crime.html

This suicide in some ways reminds me of the movie “Prayers for Bobby”, where Bobby’s mother’s lack of support and understanding clearly had a deep influence on his decision to commit suicide. In this case too, Clementi’s mother’s reaction and attitude towards his announcement of being gay must have had a similarly significant bearing on his decision to commit suicide. Yet, that issue could not be explored because Clementi had not recorded his thoughts on it. We can only surmise; but to me it seems pretty obvious. That must have been one of the last thoughts raging through his mind even as he threw himself off the bridge.

I thought it was foolish of Ravi not to accept a plea bargain earlier, especially when they were ready to consider not deporting him. He should even have welcomed community service as some form of personal atonement for his own unfortunate role–however small he considered it–in this sordid issue, especially because there was a suicide involved. It seems to me that he was poorly guided by his parents and his attorneys. This refusal itself may have adversely influenced the jury in arriving at their strong verdict against him: they may have seen him as unrepentant and as having no regrets for his role in this tragedy.

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By: Many of us view watching porn as a harmless activity… | The Life and Times of an Indian Homemaker https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-884 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:18:07 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-884 […] webcasting his roommate Tyler Clementi’s sexual encounter with another man‘. I agree with the link she shared. I think, like an average rapist in India, Dharun Ravi did not understand the seriousness of his […]

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By: Shri https://new2.orinam.net/dharun-and-ravi-two-different-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-873 Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:47:48 +0000 https://new2.orinam.net/?p=6269#comment-873 Response to UpsetMotehrInPain

I understand that you are upset. Believe me, I am too. There are no winners in this tragic case. Two young lives ruined. Although I am glad that justice has been served, I feel sentence in this case should be minimal and symbolic. We are not going to get even by ruining Dharun’s life.

Having said that, I disagree with your opinion that the media was all over this case because the defendant was a Desi brown kid. It is simply not true! Yes, you are right when you say there were other crimes in which Desis were victims and those didn’t get this much media attention. The overwhelming media attention in Tyler Clementi’s case was because it was not an isolated incident. Tyler’s case represented an epidemic of LGBT teen suicide which is still a major issue in this country. In 2010, it was especially worse! I will list few suicides that happened in 2010, just before Tyler ended his life.

1) Seth Walsh, a 13-year-old in Tehachapi, Calif., died after 10 days on life support after he hanged himself a week before. Police say he had been mercilessly taunted by fellow students over his perceived sexual orientation.
2) Billy Lucas, 15, hanged himself Sept. 9 at his grandmother’s barn in Indiana after years of reported harassment by students who judged him to be gay.
3) Asher Brown, a 13-year-old in Harris, Texas, who had recently come out, shot himself in the head Sept. 23 after, his parents say, their efforts to alert school officials to ongoing bullying were not acted upon.

And many more! This is still happening!

In all the other cases, there was no one perpetrator identified, but in Tyler’s case Dharun and Molly were identified as the bullies. That is why the media was all over this case, not because Dharun was brown. Lets face it, the Desi community in the US wouldn’t have shown any interest in this case, if Dharun was white. Racism/Reverse racism exists in all communities.

Being a mother, I hope you can understand the pain and suffering young and innocent kids go through at schools because they are gay or people think they are gay. These vulnerable kids (like Tyler) usually don’t do anything to hurt other people, but they are constant target of bullies. While I appreciate your concern that Dharun shouldn’t be made a scapegoat, he shouldn’t be able to walk away free either.

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